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Cars and watches - SalonQP lecture 2013
07-13-2014, 06:57 AM
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Cars and watches - SalonQP lecture 2013
Someone might find this of interest - Simon de Burton, a journalist writing on expensive bits of kit for the very wealthy, giving an illustrated lecture on the history of the association between cars and watches.

It does last 42', but de Burton knows his stuff and gives a good talk with some F1 interest. Don't be put off by the brief introduction given by some oleaginous twit...

http://www.salonqp.com/videos-and-semina...d-watches/

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07-13-2014, 01:41 PM (This post was last modified: 07-13-2014 01:46 PM by Neonzapper.)
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RE: Cars and watches - SalonQP lecture 2013
I am a fan of cars and watches, too. My 3 car-related watches are Equipe Q401, Tag Heuer Formula 1, and Ferrari chrono.

Like the Shinola GM factory in the video, my Equipe Q401 watch was also made by former Detroit automakers who lost their car-building jobs. All Equipe watches are car-theme designed. The Q401 has leaf-springs on the sides.

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07-14-2014, 01:49 PM
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I didn't know about those American car-turned-watch makers: those watches look good.

Yes, the Ferrari quartz chronos are nice: a friend of mine here in Cambridge has got a similar one to yours but with a silver dial. He's also got a Schumacher Omega - to be honest that one's a bit GBH of the eyeballs with a bright yellow dial.

Over the past few years I've gathered a few mechanical and quartz Heuers from the 60s to 80s: most of them are pretty battered, but this is nice and my favourite, a Carrera 1553 which has been restored with an original dial by a Belgian guy who specialises in Heuer reincarnation:

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I should point out that I'm in very good company with one of these -

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07-14-2014, 06:53 PM (This post was last modified: 07-14-2014 06:57 PM by Neonzapper.)
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Your Carrera 1553 looks new- an excellent restoration. I like the thick leather band as well. I can see why it would be a favorite. While pulling out my old '80s [Tag] Heuer (which needs restoring) to show you, I also came across my Mercedes Benz watch- which I had forgotten about.
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03-02-2016, 08:38 AM
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Forbes article on Watch Manufacturers sponsoring 2016 F1 teams:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethdoe...8ca5a81703

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03-02-2016, 11:17 AM
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(03-02-2016 08:38 AM)Neonzapper Wrote:  Forbes article on Watch Manufacturers sponsoring 2016 F1 teams:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethdoe...8ca5a81703

"...Manor Racing, formerly Marussia, has no watch sponsor – and neither does Scuderia Toro Rosso nor Sahara Force India."
I thought Casio was sponsoring Toro Rosso this year? Or are they considered more of an electronics company than a watch company? I think the engineers will use their calculator watches a lot during the race...

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03-03-2016, 09:21 AM
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^^^ We need Dr. Mark to weigh in. He knows a New York street load about watches.

I was surprised to read that Sauber (a Swiss company) has no watch sponsor.

An interesting report came out that smart watches have surpassed Swiss watches in current sales.

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03-03-2016, 09:44 AM
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(03-03-2016 09:21 AM)Neonzapper Wrote:  An interesting report came out that smart watches have surpassed Swiss watches in current sales.

Not surprising, they are a commodity item that has a 2-3 year useful lifespan, or less if you have to have the latest release, a good mechanical watch will last a lifetime.
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03-03-2016, 05:49 PM
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(03-03-2016 09:44 AM)chemics Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 09:21 AM)Neonzapper Wrote:  An interesting report came out that smart watches have surpassed Swiss watches in current sales.

Not surprising, they are a commodity item that has a 2-3 year useful lifespan

that's kooky talk. phones are the only thing that even manufacturers attempt to convince you to replace every 2-3 years, and that's absurd unless you're a total gadget freak or a cheapskate trying to run high end software on the phones you can get for free. phones really should last longer than that, and tablets/computers longer still, and smart watches even longer. do smart watches even iterate every 2-3 years?
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03-04-2016, 09:39 AM
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RE: Cars and watches - SalonQP lecture 2013
(03-03-2016 05:49 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 09:44 AM)chemics Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 09:21 AM)Neonzapper Wrote:  An interesting report came out that smart watches have surpassed Swiss watches in current sales.

Not surprising, they are a commodity item that has a 2-3 year useful lifespan

that's kooky talk. phones are the only thing that even manufacturers attempt to convince you to replace every 2-3 years, and that's absurd unless you're a total gadget freak or a cheapskate trying to run high end software on the phones you can get for free. phones really should last longer than that, and tablets/computers longer still, and smart watches even longer. do smart watches even iterate every 2-3 years?

I think Apple Watch 2 is coming in the September product launch cycle, which would make it a 2 year iteration. The tablets have been new version annually. While the watches and tablets may have useful lifespans beyond 3 years the manufacturers absolutely want to convince you to buy a new one every 2 years. Why else would they go to such lengths to tell you about all the shiny new features when they launch them. The phones are pushed harder as everyone is used to that monthly cost so paying for a new one isn't money you need to find. Even there they have convinced everyone to change every 2 years where it used to be 3. If they can find a way to talk more people into changing all the other stuff they sell more frequently they will.

You can guarantee the next watch is going to be a decent upgrade on the current version, and I won't be in the slightest bit surprised that a lot of that new functionality won't work in v1. As it gets more mature you may just see improved battery/resolution/processor speed, but early iterations always add new stuff the previous one couldn't do.
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03-04-2016, 11:22 AM
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One of my friends bought an Apple Watch a few months back. I wasn't impressed. It bothered him that I wasn't impressed. Had he purchased an Omega Speedmaster, I would have been impressed.

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03-04-2016, 12:35 PM
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(03-04-2016 11:22 AM)Jackson Wrote:  One of my friends bought an Apple Watch a few months back. I wasn't impressed. It bothered him that I wasn't impressed. Had he purchased an Omega Speedmaster, I would have been impressed.

I have 3 friends with them, so far I've seen them do very little but send each other silly pictures and say they are cool because you can do a couple of things on them around calls/messages.

However I suspect they would be equally unimpressed if I was to buy a Speedmaster.

Kudos to Apple for getting so many people to pony up so much cash for a watch that does some limited things their phone already did better.
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03-04-2016, 04:32 PM
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(03-04-2016 09:39 AM)chemics Wrote:  the manufacturers absolutely want to convince you to buy a new one every 2 years. Why else would they go to such lengths to tell you about all the shiny new features when they launch them.

every product in the world gets iterated regularly, and usually annually. is ford trying to get you to buy a new car every year? no, of course not, that's silly. is whirlpool trying to get you to buy a new refrigerator every year? no, of course not, that's silly. every company continuously updates and upgrades their products to stay competitive and win/retain customers whenever they reenter the marketplace. yet for some reason, electronics manufacturers (and because they're the industry leader, apple especially) get criticized for improving their products. of course if apple ever took a year off of development, they'd be criticized for being lazy and coasting on their brand appeal. some people just gotta hate, i guess.

(03-04-2016 09:39 AM)chemics Wrote:  they have convinced everyone to change every 2 years where it used to be 3.

not everyone. i've never had a phone for less than 3.5 years. nobody in my family has upgraded after the requisite 2 years except to replace a phone that they broke.
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03-04-2016, 05:06 PM
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(03-04-2016 04:32 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 09:39 AM)chemics Wrote:  the manufacturers absolutely want to convince you to buy a new one every 2 years. Why else would they go to such lengths to tell you about all the shiny new features when they launch them.

every product in the world gets iterated regularly, and usually annually. is ford trying to get you to buy a new car every year? no, of course not, that's silly. is whirlpool trying to get you to buy a new refrigerator every year? no, of course not, that's silly. every company continuously updates and upgrades their products to stay competitive and win/retain customers whenever they reenter the marketplace. yet for some reason, electronics manufacturers (and because they're the industry leader, apple especially) get criticized for improving their products. of course if apple ever took a year off of development, they'd be criticized for being lazy and coasting on their brand appeal. some people just gotta hate, i guess.

(03-04-2016 09:39 AM)chemics Wrote:  they have convinced everyone to change every 2 years where it used to be 3.

not everyone. i've never had a phone for less than 3.5 years. nobody in my family has upgraded after the requisite 2 years except to replace a phone that they broke.

I'm not hating on Apple, they all do it. I think people are mad that have to have the latest every time, but they exist, and the manufacturers love them. Product lifecycles have shorted massively over the last few decades to accommodate that mentality, i'm sure it's a blessing and a curse, you need to keep improving to satisfy the customer, but that also means the customers are there on a regular basis to bu the newest one.

As for my "everyone" changes their phone every 2 years. I think you must have known what I meant. Most people on contracts now change their phones every 2 years where it was previously 3. I don't believe the phones useful lifecycle has really shortened, but people have become convinced that 3 years is too long to wait for a new one.
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03-04-2016, 05:48 PM
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i didn't mean to call you specifically a hater. looking back, i see how it comes off that way. i was just talking about apple haters generally.

i'm still skeptical of the claim that most people on contracts get a new phone every two years. [yes, i understood you didn't mean literally everyone. i read "everyone" as meaning vast majority, but replied literally for rhetorical effect] i'd be curious to see the actual numbers. the people in my circle see the two year window as the time to start considering whether it's worth shelling out for a new phone, but rarely bite right away. that's certainly not a scientific poll, but when i consider the income and techno-embrace levels of my friends and family, it makes me doubt that they're below the curve on that.
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03-07-2016, 10:26 AM
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(03-04-2016 05:48 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  i didn't mean to call you specifically a hater. looking back, i see how it comes off that way. i was just talking about apple haters generally.

i'm still skeptical of the claim that most people on contracts get a new phone every two years. [yes, i understood you didn't mean literally everyone. i read "everyone" as meaning vast majority, but replied literally for rhetorical effect] i'd be curious to see the actual numbers. the people in my circle see the two year window as the time to start considering whether it's worth shelling out for a new phone, but rarely bite right away. that's certainly not a scientific poll, but when i consider the income and techno-embrace levels of my friends and family, it makes me doubt that they're below the curve on that.

It would be interesting to see the stats. I only know there is a spike every time a new iPhone model is launched, presumably because most buyers know the launch schedules and wait if they are within a few months of renewing their phone. My friends are a poor sample as well, half are on work phones and one couple are technologically ignorant but have to have the shiniest version, so both have iphone6 and Apple Watch but I end up setting almost everything new they buy up for them.

I would imagine it's more common to renew for those that don't have to put down a lump sum to get a new phone than if you need to come up with $500 for the latest model, so perhaps it's more those that are happy to take a generation old phone that renew on a 2 year basis.
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