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New regs for 2013/4
12-05-2012, 12:03 PM
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New regs for 2013/4
The final 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) took place today, 5 December, in Istanbul.
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The final 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) took place today, 5 December, in Istanbul. The FIA President, Jean Todt, opened the meeting by thanking Demir Berberoglu, Műmtaz Tahincioglu and the Turkish Automobile Sports Federation for their hospitality and for hosting the week of FIA meetings in Turkey. The following decisions were taken.

FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

The date for the 2013 Grand Prix of Germany has been moved to 7 July, and 21 July has been reserved for another F1 European event, subject to the approval of the relevant ASNs.

Amendments have been made to the 2013 and 2014 Sporting and Technical Regulations:

2013 F1 Technical Regulations

More stringent front wing deflection tests have been introduced.

Minor changes have been made to the front roll structure design.

There is an increase in minimum weight to compensate for an increase in tyre weight for 2013.

Deletion of the ‘force majeure’ allowance when a car stops on the track in qualifying. The FIA will determine how much fuel the car would have used to get back to the pits and add it to the one litre sample minimum.

All chassis will now have higher static loads applied to them (formerly only one chassis was tested to the higher loads with subsequent chassis being tested to 20% lower proof loads).

2013 F1 Sporting Regulations

For safety reasons, use of the DRS during practice will now only be allowed in the place(s) it will be used on the track in the race.

The team personnel curfew will be extended from six to eight hours on Thursday night and only two exceptions will be allowed during a season (formerly four).

2014 F1 Technical Regulations

A new draft with numerous changes was discussed and agreed by the F1 Technical Working Group and Powertrain Working Group.

The requirement for cars to be driven exclusively under electric power in the pit lane has been postponed until 2017.

A number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology in some areas in order to reduce development costs.

Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification.

The minimum weight limit has been raised to compensate for additional power unit weight.

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12-05-2012, 02:47 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-05-2012 12:03 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  A number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology

hooray for the pinnacle of motorsport! oh wait, that's le mans, not f1.
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12-05-2012, 03:35 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
I am frustrated at the lack of detail in this report.

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12-05-2012, 03:39 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
i'm okay with that. i don't need to know exactly how much deflection is permissible when exactly how much force is applied exactly where on the front wing.
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12-05-2012, 03:53 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
I would like to know, but it is more significant stuff like the minimum weight and just what the technology restrictions on the engines will be. I'm sure it will come out over the coming days.

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12-06-2012, 09:07 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2012 09:10 AM by chemics.)
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
That feels like a real opportunity missed by introducing new power plant rules that allow for some really innovative designs and then limiting it before it even gets started. They should know by now that it won't limit costs, the teams will always spend whatever they can raise regardless, the only difference is that they will now spend the money on something with only minor gains that we will never see.

Oh, and moving the German GP to the same weekend as the German MotoGP and the Goodwood Festival of Speed weekend is poor form. A lot of the F1 people go to Goodwood, which is a real shame for the fans (although I expect Goodwood will move their date if they can). Also it can't be good for German motorsport having two of your biggest race meetings on at the same time, I'm sure there are people who will do both normally.

I'm sure Bernie doesn't care though, he's probably more than happy to disrupt anything that he isn't getting paid by.
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12-06-2012, 03:23 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
No DRS in practice except in the DRS zone...does this mean in quali as well since quali is considered a practice session (remember HRT a few years ago having participated in a practice session because it was quali)?
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12-06-2012, 03:30 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
my understanding is that it does include qualifying as well.
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12-06-2012, 04:39 PM
Post: #9
RE: New regs for 2013/4
That would make sense. There's nothing more dangerous than opening up the entire track to DRS during quali without having practiced that way. That never made sense to me. It would be like only enforcing pitlane speed limits during the race as well.
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12-06-2012, 05:09 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
I think DRS and KERS should ONLY be used in race conditions. Level playing field for quali.

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12-06-2012, 05:21 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
Alright then...NASCAR rules for quali!!!

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12-06-2012, 05:27 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2012 05:27 PM by Yaaay.)
Post: #12
RE: New regs for 2013/4
Do you have a power point slide to back this up?

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12-06-2012, 05:30 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
how do drs and kers make the playing field not level?
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12-06-2012, 05:36 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-06-2012 05:27 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Do you have a power point slide to back this up?

I'm sure I can have someone in my office throw something together.

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12-06-2012, 05:48 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-06-2012 05:30 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  how do drs and kers make the playing field not level?

Not being able to use it makes it level.

(12-06-2012 05:36 PM)Jackson Wrote:  I'm sure I can have someone in my office throw something together.

You know you have made it in this world when you have someone to make your powerpoint slides for you.

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12-06-2012, 05:51 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-06-2012 05:48 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  
(12-06-2012 05:30 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  how do drs and kers make the playing field not level?

Not being able to use it makes it level.

Being able to use it is also level. Everyone gets the same amount of KERS and DRS isn't dependent on following a car for practice/quali, so it's the same for everyone. If a team doesn't have KERS that's their issue, it's in the rules.
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12-06-2012, 05:52 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
Because of the development $$$ wasted on making kers and drs work all over the circuit and not just in race conditions. Red Bull have spent a fortune on making their DRS work in places it shouldn't just so they quali better. But we are back onto resource restriction, so what if they want to pump that money into doing that etc. etc.

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12-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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(12-06-2012 05:52 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Because of the development $$$ wasted on making kers and drs work all over the circuit and not just in race conditions. Red Bull have spent a fortune on making their DRS work in places it shouldn't just so they quali better. But we are back onto resource restriction, so what if they want to pump that money into doing that etc. etc.

The new restriction is that you can only use DRS in the race zones, so tailoring it to quali won't happen now. I expect that the only difference will be that in quali and practice you can use it every lap. KERS has always been based on a number of seconds, just as it is in the race, so nothing is different there.
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12-06-2012, 07:22 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
maybe we should really "level the playing field" and turn off the engines for quali.
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12-06-2012, 09:54 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
Maybe give them a Rubiks Cube?

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12-06-2012, 11:50 PM
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
someone from Goodwood Festival of Speed must have peed them off. Newey was probably entered in the historics and Button normally puts in an appearance, along with Brundle

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12-07-2012, 09:06 AM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2012 09:28 AM by chemics.)
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-06-2012 11:50 PM)leonbray Wrote:  someone from Goodwood Festival of Speed must have peed them off. Newey was probably entered in the historics and Button normally puts in an appearance, along with Brundle

Bernie doesn't have anything to do with and doesn't get money from it, so I expect he is more than happy to disrupt it.
(12-06-2012 07:22 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  maybe we should really "level the playing field" and turn off the engines for quali.

Or, we could give everyone identical cars...maybe we could make the teams country specific as well, that would surely be a successful championship!
There is a bit more on the 2014 regs and what really changed in the recent announcement here. I hope the total amount of fuel coming down doesn't mean restricted running in practice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20640255
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12-09-2012, 01:50 PM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2012 01:53 PM by gr.)
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
(12-05-2012 12:03 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  2013 F1 Technical Regulations
Deletion of the ‘force majeure’ allowance when a car stops on the track in qualifying. The FIA will determine how much fuel the car would have used to get back to the pits and add it to the one litre sample minimum.

I'm kind of shocked that wasn't already the standard, really.

Quote:2014 F1 Technical Regulations
Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification.

That's: "Okay, we give. The stepped nose looks stupid," right?

Edit: oh, crap, wait... 2012 standard? What the heck?

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07-09-2013, 01:17 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2013 01:23 PM by Neonzapper.)
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RE: New regs for 2013/4
V E R Y low noses coming...

" ARTICLE 3.7.9/15.4.3: NOSE SHAPE

As the second phase of the FIA's move to lower the nose tip to prevent disastrous t-bone or nose-to-wheel crashes, the whole nose box will now be bound by the restricted height rules of 2014.

This year, the nose tip can be 550mm high and the chassis 625mm high, with a vanity panel allowed to hide the unsightly bump created by the step.

Under the new rules, the nose tip must be centred at 185mm, which is not much higher than the front wing, so noses will be very low.

This will impact aerodynamics as the flow under the nose and chassis will be obstructed.

The regulations also prevent the nose structure arching up too high and although vanity panels will be permitted, it is possible some very odd shapes will be created to maintain the highest possible chassis/nose combination. "

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108682

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07-09-2013, 02:02 PM
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I think they look quite good. From Scarbs blog.

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2013/07/08/201...irst-look/

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