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The Lotus debacle goes on and on
06-08-2012, 09:29 AM
Post: #26
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
Exactly, I can't wait to read it!

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06-08-2012, 11:29 AM
Post: #27
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-08-2012 09:29 AM)Yaaay Wrote:  Exactly, I can't wait to read it!

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/oh-danny-boy/
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06-08-2012, 12:59 PM
Post: #28
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
Bahar was an automotive Icarus, who flew mindlessly towards the sun in a balloon of hot air.

Oh I love it.

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06-08-2012, 02:00 PM
Post: #29
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
joe apparently doesn't know all the key plot points of icarus' tale.
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06-08-2012, 04:38 PM
Post: #30
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I think it's called artistic licence. The requirement to add hot air necessitated the balloon.

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06-08-2012, 05:05 PM
Post: #31
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
it's called a mixed metaphor.
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06-08-2012, 05:09 PM
Post: #32
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-08-2012 05:05 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  it's called a mixed metaphor.

I thought Joe's article was pretty good, and I give him some leeway because he predicted this a long, long time ago. I just hope the final act where Tony buys everything comes to fruition.
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06-08-2012, 05:48 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2012 05:50 PM by Yaaay.)
Post: #33
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
Can't artistic licence be used to include a mixed metaphor?

Anyway, I follow Joe and 99% of the time he is right. He can be a bit of a blow at times, but I'd rather read a jurno who is actually there every race.

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06-08-2012, 07:16 PM
Post: #34
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-08-2012 05:48 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Can't artistic licence be used to include a mixed metaphor?

yes, but it shouldn't be praised for it. artistic license should be used for good, not sloppiness. you have to keep your eye on the ball or you'll never take the checkered flag. Wink
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06-08-2012, 08:01 PM
Post: #35
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-08-2012 07:16 PM)frankdouglason Wrote:  artistic license should be used for good, not sloppiness. you have to keep your eye on the ball or you'll never take the checkered flag. Wink

I am at a loss as to how to respond to that. Completely at a loss.

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06-08-2012, 08:10 PM
Post: #36
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i believe "oh i love it" is your standard response to mixed metaphors.
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06-08-2012, 08:16 PM
Post: #37
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
Well if that is what you have ascertained from available evidence then OK.

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06-09-2012, 04:44 AM
Post: #38
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-08-2012 05:09 PM)bmw85 Wrote:  I give him some leeway because he predicted this a long, long time ago.
Who didn't? Except for some Malaysian government guys and a few die-hard optimists? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that even Bahar expected it from the start.

(06-08-2012 05:48 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Anyway, I follow Joe and 99% of the time he is right. He can be a bit of a blow at times, but I'd rather read a jurno who is actually there every race.
There are quite a few journalists who travel to every race and are not as full of hot air as Bahar.

As to the 99% right, I'm still waiting for the return of McLaren Honda or the sale of Toro Rosso to some UAE oil company...

Given the main part of his posts are about how fast his magazine appears after a grand prix or just writing down results in text instead of the list given by F1.com, he may get up to 99%, though.

Of course, when he answers critics with insightful comments such as "I don’t care whether you agree with me or not. Very simple." or "I think I have had just about of you now. Goodbye.", that makes him right more often.
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06-09-2012, 10:11 PM
Post: #39
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-09-2012 04:44 AM)InterRaptor Wrote:  
(06-08-2012 05:09 PM)bmw85 Wrote:  I give him some leeway because he predicted this a long, long time ago.
Who didn't? Except for some Malaysian government guys and a few die-hard optimists? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that even Bahar expected it from the start.

I'm talking about things way before this. Like the then Team Lotus winning the name rights but handing them over to Group Lotus when it wasn't worth it in 2012. The Bahar stuff has been inevitable.
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06-10-2012, 04:36 AM
Post: #40
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
I'm pretty sure most of us here were saying that Fernandes-Lotus would win the name rights. And I don't remember Saward writing anything about Tony selling them to Group Lotus, but that doesn't mean much as I only read his blog when he gets mentioned here.
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06-10-2012, 02:34 PM
Post: #41
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-10-2012 04:36 AM)InterRaptor Wrote:  I'm pretty sure most of us here were saying that Fernandes-Lotus would win the name rights. And I don't remember Saward writing anything about Tony selling them to Group Lotus, but that doesn't mean much as I only read his blog when he gets mentioned here.

Here's the bit about selling the naming rights
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/6878/

but what I'm waiting for is for Tony to gain control of lotus (see penultimate paragraph)
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/04/2...confirmed/
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06-11-2012, 08:00 AM
Post: #42
RE: The Lotus debacle goes on and on
(06-10-2012 02:34 PM)bmw85 Wrote:  
(06-10-2012 04:36 AM)InterRaptor Wrote:  I'm pretty sure most of us here were saying that Fernandes-Lotus would win the name rights. And I don't remember Saward writing anything about Tony selling them to Group Lotus, but that doesn't mean much as I only read his blog when he gets mentioned here.

Here's the bit about selling the naming rights
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/6878/

but what I'm waiting for is for Tony to gain control of lotus (see penultimate paragraph)
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/04/2...confirmed/

I'm not sure Tony is all that interested in Lotus any more, but we'll see. I would imagine that if anything he would want the outgoing Elise to make into a Caterham version.
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06-12-2012, 01:49 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2012 01:53 PM by bmw85.)
Post: #43
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(06-11-2012 08:00 AM)chemics Wrote:  I'm not sure Tony is all that interested in Lotus any more, but we'll see. I would imagine that if anything he would want the outgoing Elise to make into a Caterham version.

That would be very cool. I'm going to miss that car. Teslas are too bland looking for me to get excited. I love the Elise's side scoops, concave-in back where the lights are, more streamline roof that doesn't overhang off the back, and most of all the mutant alien grasshopper 4-pack of headlights.

Shoot, it looks like they don't off the 4-pack anymore, just 2.
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