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Robert Kubica
06-13-2011, 10:20 AM (This post was last modified: 06-13-2011 10:22 AM by cozmoose.)
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Robert Kubica
These pics are from today's polish newspaper

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What do you guys think Robert's chance of coming back this year?
IMO, his right arm looks nowhere close to being ready to withstand F1 rigor.

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06-13-2011, 10:26 AM
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It wont be this season.

Not bad for a No. 2 Driver
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06-13-2011, 10:49 AM
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RE: Robert Kubica
I think it's still too early to call, it always amazes me how fast elite athletes heal. I suspect his best course of action would be to wait until testing starts again, but if he gets better quickly and the doctors sign him off I'm sure the team would be glad to have him back in the car, even a recovering Kubica is probably better than Heidfeld.
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06-13-2011, 10:57 AM
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all the reports about Robert said he was making tremendous recovery.
lot of people thought he'll be back before the end of this season.

yet today's pictures show different.
unfortunately, he looks very frail (to me). Sad

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06-13-2011, 11:01 AM
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who knows? i bet the doctors who are treating him aren't sure about that with full access to all information. there's no way we can tell based on some paparazzi pictures.
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06-13-2011, 12:57 PM
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RE: Robert Kubica
Colin Edwards in MotoGP broke his collar bone in 5 places last weekend and finished 3rd this weekend. Keith Amor had a crash at the Isle of Man TT in practice and the first specialist he saw told him to put his arm in a sling for 6 weeks, he was in the top 6 all week in the races a few days later. Athletes recover quickly all the time with the access they have to treatment that anyone else couldn't get.

Sure Kubica looks frail now, he hasn't been out of hospital long, so he has probably been largely bed ridden for a decent while. He's also got a busted up leg and arm, so movement isn't going to be easy. He wouldn't look so frail if it was just his arm that was injured and he could walk freely. Early rehab is also likely to be the slowest as the doctors make sure the nerves heal properly, once he gets past that part of his rehab and can start training, even light training, again he will soon look a lot better.

You can see why he wasn't in the paddock in Monaco if he's still like this though.
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06-13-2011, 01:41 PM
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There's no way he's back this year. He may get back to health, able to walk, run and do other exercises, but the nerves in his hand were destroyed. It's not like a collar bone that can just made to hold steady, it's a part of the body where drivers need to be most skillful.

Robert should be happy if he comes back to F1 at all, this year is pure utopia.
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06-13-2011, 03:51 PM
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I hope to see him do some friday driving before the season ends, and maybe sneak in a last race, if Fridays look promising Smile

If we have any realistic hope of him driving next year, we should see him do some fridays FP's before the season is out. Especially since there's so much limits to testing.

If not, next year will be just another building year, when really he should be fighting for a championship now.

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06-13-2011, 04:33 PM (This post was last modified: 06-13-2011 04:35 PM by chemics.)
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(06-13-2011 03:51 PM)Baumgartnerfan Wrote:  I hope to see him do some friday driving before the season ends, and maybe sneak in a last race, if Fridays look promising Smile

If we have any realistic hope of him driving next year, we should see him do some fridays FP's before the season is out. Especially since there's so much limits to testing.

If not, next year will be just another building year, when really he should be fighting for a championship now.

If doctors clear him to drive on Fridays I think we'll see him racing. If he has the nerve recovery to be able to drive on a Friday the rest would be down to physical conditioning which will be the easier part to get back.

I have no idea how personal the times for that sort of recovery may be though.
(06-13-2011 01:41 PM)InterRaptor Wrote:  There's no way he's back this year. He may get back to health, able to walk, run and do other exercises, but the nerves in his hand were destroyed. It's not like a collar bone that can just made to hold steady, it's a part of the body where drivers need to be most skillful.

Robert should be happy if he comes back to F1 at all, this year is pure utopia.

I realise it's not as simple as a collar bone. I just think the physical level and facilities available to people at this level of sport tends to mean they have amazingly quick recoveries. I don't expect we will hear a great deal until he is getting a lot closer though.
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06-17-2011, 08:00 PM
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RE: Robert Kubica
Considering we are still closer chronologically to when he had the accident than we are to the end of the season, I'd say a comeback drive in Brazil is highly possible. He goes well there too, IIRC.

Also take into account we didn't see what he looked like in the hospital, so his condition now could be 75-80% recovered. I think the frail appearance is irrelevant. he can pack on 20-30 pounds of muscle and regain his strength in a matter of weeks once he is able to lift with that arm and put weight on the leg.

That said, if Renault choose to swap in Bruno to replace Heidfeld I can't see them putting Kubica in the car for Bruno's home race.

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06-20-2011, 08:33 AM
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(06-17-2011 08:00 PM)cyan Wrote:  Considering we are still closer chronologically to when he had the accident than we are to the end of the season, I'd say a comeback drive in Brazil is highly possible. He goes well there too, IIRC.

Also take into account we didn't see what he looked like in the hospital, so his condition now could be 75-80% recovered. I think the frail appearance is irrelevant. he can pack on 20-30 pounds of muscle and regain his strength in a matter of weeks once he is able to lift with that arm and put weight on the leg.

That said, if Renault choose to swap in Bruno to replace Heidfeld I can't see them putting Kubica in the car for Bruno's home race.

That assumes Vitaly is in for next year and doesn't get an early push. Bruno and Kubica isn't an impossible combination.
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06-20-2011, 09:57 AM
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Vitaly will stay as long as the rubles keep flowing. And it looks like they do.
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06-20-2011, 02:34 PM
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(06-20-2011 09:57 AM)InterRaptor Wrote:  Vitaly will stay as long as the rubles keep flowing. And it looks like they do.

I heard a while back that Petrobras were looking to sponsor a team that would run Green & Gold (at the time it was Team Lotus) but it all went quiet, I wonder if Renault were hoping they would win the case, steal the livery and put Bruno in the car with a big sponsorship deal.

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06-20-2011, 04:19 PM
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According to Joe Saward, Renault is haemorrhaging staff left, right and centre. The way its going, Robert's not going to have much to return to...

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06-20-2011, 07:40 PM
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(06-20-2011 04:19 PM)drmarkf Wrote:  According to Joe Saward, Renault is haemorrhaging staff left, right and centre. The way its going, Robert's not going to have much to return to...

I get the feeling the WMSC is going to vote to delay the 2013 engine regulation change and Renault is finally going to bow out of Formula 1. Perhaps Kubica may get to move to Ferrari after all.

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06-21-2011, 04:34 AM
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I really think Kubica at Ferrari would be a great solution. He is good pals with Nando (although that might not last too long then) but would still give him a run for his money.
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06-21-2011, 05:10 AM
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Yes, I agree with that. I expect in private he'd be happy to take a 'rehab' season as an effective no. 2 there, and he'd have one of the very best drivers to measure his improvement against. It would undoubtedly help his finances, too.

If he did well then he'd be a very hot and saleable property even if Fred stayed and life became too tough at the Scuderia.

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06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
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What would that do for the engines on the grid though? Cosworth could soon fill some of the void but I doubt Red Bull would want that engine. Maybe Ferrari would have to provide a few more as well, but they certainly wouldn't want to supply any top teams.

Nobody new is coming in for the extended year or two on these regulations, it's not worth the development. The only other solution of for someone to bring the Renault engine to the grid with a different name like the Mecachrome engines in the past. With no development it would still be competitive until the new rules came in.
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06-21-2011, 09:26 AM
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(06-21-2011 08:53 AM)chemics Wrote:  What would that do for the engines on the grid though? Cosworth could soon fill some of the void but I doubt Red Bull would want that engine. Maybe Ferrari would have to provide a few more as well, but they certainly wouldn't want to supply any top teams.

Red Bull wanted Mercedes engines last year already, and Merc would like nothing better than to supply them. Don't know how long McLaren will have their say in that, but certainly not indefinitely.

Renault could get Proton engines and Team Lotus either Ferrari or Mercedes. Or they could go back to Cosworth.
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06-21-2011, 12:34 PM
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(06-21-2011 09:26 AM)InterRaptor Wrote:  
(06-21-2011 08:53 AM)chemics Wrote:  What would that do for the engines on the grid though? Cosworth could soon fill some of the void but I doubt Red Bull would want that engine. Maybe Ferrari would have to provide a few more as well, but they certainly wouldn't want to supply any top teams.

Red Bull wanted Mercedes engines last year already, and Merc would like nothing better than to supply them. Don't know how long McLaren will have their say in that, but certainly not indefinitely.

Renault could get Proton engines and Team Lotus either Ferrari or Mercedes. Or they could go back to Cosworth.

A lot is going to depend on the remaining suppliers wanting to supply a lot of teams each. I don't think anyone is realistically going to choose the Cosworth option if they have an alternative. It certainly doesn't help the lower order teams that are using technical partnerships with bigger teams if they all end up with Cosworth and no partners for gearboxes etc.

I can see this going horribly wrong for the FIA now. Even if the Renault engine remains under a different name the headlines will all be about Renault leaving the sport. I suspect that if it drags on for too long Renault will walk regardless, they have already said that they need a decision soon for their board to keep a commitment to F1. They are far enough removed from the sport now to leave easily enough with only owning a small part of the team.

I don't want the damage it could do to the sport, but just for once I'd like someone to do what they threaten instead of these things dragging on. If Renault just turned round tomorrow and said they were fed up of the waiting and they were done at the end of the year the FIA would be in a world of trouble. Or similarly the FIA should just say the new rules are in, that's it, leave if you want but let us know soon so we can open up the entry list.
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06-22-2011, 05:08 AM
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The whole discussion could go for some time, Bernie has said he might take the decision to go 4-cylinder to a court, because it wasn't taken according to the rules. As we've seen in the Lotus case, this is a guarantee for a long wait before a verdict is rendered. And even then it could (and mostly probably would) be appealed.
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06-22-2011, 12:20 PM (This post was last modified: 06-22-2011 12:22 PM by chemics.)
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92510

Now we're on to 1.6 V6 Turbo's with a 1 year delay on introduction. Maybe that will keep every quiet/happy. Except maybe Renault who have already invested over $10M in the 4 cylinder engine.
I think this might need splitting into it's own topic now, we seem to have diverged fairly well away from Kubica.
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06-22-2011, 02:43 PM
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I think the engines are so similar that the main difference is just the badge these days. Back in the day a customer engine meant that you were either favoured or owned by the manufacturer and you had a fighting chance, or you were just a plain customer and stuck midfield at best. I think there was something more interesting when engines made more of a difference. When renault power or Honda power meant something.

The Cowsorth is not a bad powerplant, it's the same. Look at Lotus with it's renault engine, Still in the back, I would say the marginally improved pace it's getting is just better Aero dynamics and the Red Bull gizmo they bought. If the new pace is purely engine, the design team at Lotus seriously screwed up. Williams is pretty much same place it was with Toyota, you could argue last year coming sixth was an improvement even.

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06-22-2011, 04:31 PM (This post was last modified: 06-22-2011 04:34 PM by chemics.)
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(06-22-2011 02:43 PM)Baumgartnerfan Wrote:  I think the engines are so similar that the main difference is just the badge these days. Back in the day a customer engine meant that you were either favoured or owned by the manufacturer and you had a fighting chance, or you were just a plain customer and stuck midfield at best. I think there was something more interesting when engines made more of a difference. When renault power or Honda power meant something.

The Cowsorth is not a bad powerplant, it's the same. Look at Lotus with it's renault engine, Still in the back, I would say the marginally improved pace it's getting is just better Aero dynamics and the Red Bull gizmo they bought. If the new pace is purely engine, the design team at Lotus seriously screwed up. Williams is pretty much same place it was with Toyota, you could argue last year coming sixth was an improvement even.

The main aim of the Lotus change was reliability as the Gearbox they had was rubbish (X-trac??) and they didn't have the expertise to build their own like Williams. Switching the Renault gave them the option of the Red Bull so they could work on making the car faster instead of worrying about reliability. As you say, I don't think the engine itself is much different between the brands.
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New engines all but confirmed

1.6 V6 Turbo, introduced in 2014, just needs to go through the WMSC later this week.

Apparently everyone is happy.
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06-23-2011, 05:15 AM
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(06-22-2011 04:31 PM)chemics Wrote:  Apparently everyone is happy.

I'm waiting for what Renault has to say about this. They were the one who were getting ready for 4 cylinders and may well not be happy at all.
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