McLaren to buy BMW/Munich Engine Dept?

[tsarcasm]

linky

[Yaaay]

Makes sense. But utter denials from McLaren. If they were going solo they would do it in Woking.

[trickydicky]

Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

[chemics]

They could soon relocate personnel and equipment, and it fits with the road car business taking off and them becoming a car manufacturer.

[Chicago1313]

(10-04-2009 10:00 AM)trickydicky Wrote:  Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

This move makes sense to me and isn't Mercedes German??!!

[tsarcasm]

Where is the MP4-12C motor coming from (not Mercedes)? I've read Ricardo developed the M838T 3.8-liter V8-TT. Since it's to be a 2011 model they do have time.

[hbrightmusic]

(10-04-2009 09:58 PM)Chicago1313 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 10:00 AM)trickydicky Wrote:  Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

This move makes sense to me and isn't Mercedes German??!!

In F1 not really. its a british built engine manufactured by Illmor in the UK.

[chemics]

(10-05-2009 07:42 AM)hbrightmusic Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 09:58 PM)Chicago1313 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 10:00 AM)trickydicky Wrote:  Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

This move makes sense to me and isn't Mercedes German??!!

In F1 not really. its a british built engine manufactured by Illmor in the UK.

Mercedes bought out Illmor F1 engines years ago. It is now Mercedes High Performance Engines. Illmor are still on the same Industrial Estate in Northamptonshire as a seperate entity. Mercedes HPE also make the DTM engines and possibly some other stuff as well.

[drmarkf]

In a sense it would be going back to their road-car roots - as we all know the McLaren F1 had a BMW V12.

However, who can tell me what engine the first McLaren road car had (without using Google - and it'll take a bit of digging even if you do)?

[Yaaay]

Butt ugly with an American Engine?

[drmarkf]

(10-05-2009 06:14 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Butt ugly with an American Engine?

The second part was right (Chevvy V8)...

This is a massive file, but a nice pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...n_M6GT.jpg

http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/v...m6_gt.html

[Yaaay]

Both parts right, butt ugly, disproportioned.

Made to do a job, full stop.

[tsarcasm]

(10-05-2009 05:58 PM)drmarkf Wrote:  In a sense it would be going back to their road-car roots - as we all know the McLaren F1 had a BMW V12.

However, who can tell me what engine the first McLaren road car had (without using Google - and it'll take a bit of digging even if you do)?

M6-GT-> Pig Iron Chevrolet OHV 327 (that's from the deep recesses of mah' brain)

[drmarkf]

(10-05-2009 06:31 PM)Yaaay Wrote:  Both parts right, butt ugly, disproportioned.

Made to do a job, full stop.

Any comments related to McLaren aesthetics from the man who used to be happy to own and drive one of these without wearing a brown paper bag on his head...



...aren't worth the electrons they're written with.

Sigh.

There is no hope...

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latest from Martin 'Deep Throat' Whitmarsh:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79297

[Doesn't sound too promising ]

[hbrightmusic]

(10-05-2009 08:28 AM)chemics Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 07:42 AM)hbrightmusic Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 09:58 PM)Chicago1313 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 10:00 AM)trickydicky Wrote:  Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

This move makes sense to me and isn't Mercedes German??!!

In F1 not really. its a british built engine manufactured by Illmor in the UK.

Mercedes bought out Illmor F1 engines years ago. It is now Mercedes High Performance Engines. Illmor are still on the same Industrial Estate in Northamptonshire as a seperate entity. Mercedes HPE also make the DTM engines and possibly some other stuff as well.

Still british built:

In 2001 Paul Morgan was killed whilst landing his vintage airplane at Sywell Aerodrome, Northamptonshire. In 2002 DaimlerChrysler increased its share to 55% and renamed the company Mercedes-Ilmor. In 2005 Daimler-Chrysler became the sole owner of Ilmor and renamed the company Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines Ltd.

[chemics]

(10-06-2009 04:53 PM)hbrightmusic Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 08:28 AM)chemics Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 07:42 AM)hbrightmusic Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 09:58 PM)Chicago1313 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 10:00 AM)trickydicky Wrote:  Cant see Mclaren wanting to go german.

This move makes sense to me and isn't Mercedes German??!!

In F1 not really. its a british built engine manufactured by Illmor in the UK.

Mercedes bought out Illmor F1 engines years ago. It is now Mercedes High Performance Engines. Illmor are still on the same Industrial Estate in Northamptonshire as a seperate entity. Mercedes HPE also make the DTM engines and possibly some other stuff as well.

Still british built:

In 2001 Paul Morgan was killed whilst landing his vintage airplane at Sywell Aerodrome, Northamptonshire. In 2002 DaimlerChrysler increased its share to 55% and renamed the company Mercedes-Ilmor. In 2005 Daimler-Chrysler became the sole owner of Ilmor and renamed the company Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines Ltd.

Wiki also says that Mario Illien and Roger Penske bought back the special projects part of it from Mercedes, which is what they have at Brixworth, Northamptonshire, over the road from Mercedes HPE. The last thing they did was a MotoGP bike, but they only did 1 race before they ran out of money.

[cozmoose]

Surely not from F1. Nobody makes profit from F1 except Bernie.
How many cars do they actually sell?
I don't know how McLaren makes enough money to buy BMW's engine factory and kiss off Mercedes (their sugar daddy?)

Williams tried to go private and look what has happened to them last few years

[Yaaay]

(10-07-2009 10:11 AM)cozmoose Wrote:  Surely not from F1. Nobody makes profit from F1 except Bernie.

They used to quite happily. Williams has always been private and they simply attracted more income from sponsors and prize money than it cost them to operate.

McLaren too , but this was in the days of tobacco money and sensible budgets. The arrival of the Manufacturers in F1 10 years ago heralded the age of spiralling spending. It's why people like Ken Tyrrell, Paul Stoddard and Eddie Jordan etc. etc. had to sell up.

McLaren do sell a lot of other products such as electronics and engineering, but needed the Merc money to survive in the last 10 years.

It's what Max has been on about in the last few years, a return to economic sustainability which the new budget rules are aimed at, so there isn't this reliance on the evil manufacturers.

[Baumgartnerfan]

Yaaay, are saying Max was doing good?

[Yaaay]

Oh, yes, very much so.

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and I mean that seriously, seriously.

[Baumgartnerfan]

This is something Ferrari started in the late 90s in desperation to get back into winning after a 20 year hiatus of doing so. Spending record amounts for Schumi's services, and insane amount of testing. Toyota just copied. Nobody forced these teams to spend so much money.

Did Max raise his concerns then?

I think as president he should have gone and done something then.

[Yaaay]

Yes he did, he was vocal about it during the MS dominance years of 2003/4 when they had two test teams running every day, including GP weekends. But no one took him seriously or would listen, he was always anti-manufacturer because they had the ability to throw money and then they would leave. It took Honda to pull the plug before anyone even flinched. Remember the breakaway threat because he wanted to limit spending?

(10-07-2009 12:44 PM)Baumgartnerfan Wrote:  I think as president he should have gone and done something then.

He was trying but everyone said he was a mad megalomaniac sex deviant. (most of which was correct), So they were sitting on cases of cash saying, problem, what problem Mad Max.

[tsarcasm]

Yaaay's right (and he's making Max look good, oh no

[hbrightmusic]

I think you´ll find that history will say that Max and Bernie did more good to the FIA and F1 than bad in the long run.

[TheFIAFerrariConspiracy]

I'd love to see McLaren buy Cosworth and bring them back into F1. Engine problem solved... permanently.